SADS007 ARGUS - 10-Jul-09 COMMENTS

SADS007 ARGUS - 10-Jul-09 COMMENTS

& this is what the public think of this case - these are the comments from The Argus about Alison Cridland's article which you can read if you CLICK HERE

Your Say YourThe Argusbibble, London (but visit Brighton regularly) says...
5:09pm Fri 10 Jul 09
This is a case of kidnapping by the state. The judges and police are the kidnappers.This is a case of kidnapping by the state. The judges and police are the kidnappers.
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John Steed, worthing says...
6:25pm Fri 10 Jul 09
disgusting situation, shame on the english justice system and on the 3 law lords who were prepared to see this injustice continue ESCC social services have a lot to answer for they are not fit for purpose, they have been disgustingly lax for many years and responsible for much heartache and broken lives, this matter should be taken to the european court of human rights, because in this case two parents & one childs rights have been terribly abuseddisgusting situation, shame on the english justice system and on the 3 law lords who were prepared to see this injustice continue ESCC social services have a lot to answer for they are not fit for purpose, they have been disgustingly lax for many years and responsible for much heartache and broken lives, this matter should be taken to the european court of human rights, because in this case two parents & one childs rights have been terribly abused
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puddingandpi, Brighton says...
7:27pm Fri 10 Jul 09
I think being taken from your family & forced into adoption is more psychologically damaging than seeing your parents involved in confrontations.
Anyway, "they **** you up, your parents do. They don't mean to but they do." I think being taken from your family & forced into adoption is more psychologically damaging than seeing your parents involved in confrontations. Anyway, "they **** you up, your parents do. They don't mean to but they do."
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puddingandpi, Brighton says...
7:28pm Fri 10 Jul 09
I think being taken from your family & forced into adoption is more psychologically damaging than seeing your parents involved in confrontations.
Anyway, "they fvck you up, your parents do. They don't mean to but they do." I think being taken from your family & forced into adoption is more psychologically damaging than seeing your parents involved in confrontations. Anyway, "they fvck you up, your parents do. They don't mean to but they do."
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rs, says...
8:52pm Fri 10 Jul 09
what a shocking story, unless i'm missing something here, this is completly over the top behaviour from social services.

when you have cases such as baby p when they stand back and give the parents chance after chance even with serious physical abuse going on. this doesn't make sense.

the result two heartbroken parents and a child who's old enough to ensure that she will be emotionally scarred forever.what a shocking story, unless i'm missing something here, this is completly over the top behaviour from social services. when you have cases such as baby p when they stand back and give the parents chance after chance even with serious physical abuse going on. this doesn't make sense. the result two heartbroken parents and a child who's old enough to ensure that she will be emotionally scarred forever.
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TheInsider, Brighton says...
9:36pm Fri 10 Jul 09
It is difficult to make assumptions either way in a few paragraphs in a local paper about a child's situation.
I have close friends who have fostered dozens of children for many years and these days children are not taken into care at the drop of a hat.
There has been a move in recent years to keep children with chaotic, drunk, druggie, dysfunctional families as it was considered to be better for a child to be with a parent no matter how capable they were. However, more recently the damage this does is now turning the tide again back to the long-term needs of children.
It's a sad fact of life that even in the 21st century some parents are not able to provide a nurturing home.
It is difficult to make assumptions either way in a few paragraphs in a local paper about a child's situation. I have close friends who have fostered dozens of children for many years and these days children are not taken into care at the drop of a hat. There has been a move in recent years to keep children with chaotic, drunk, druggie, dysfunctional families as it was considered to be better for a child to be with a parent no matter how capable they were. However, more recently the damage this does is now turning the tide again back to the long-term needs of children. It's a sad fact of life that even in the 21st century some parents are not able to provide a nurturing home.
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Bex24, Burgess Hill says...
9:37pm Fri 10 Jul 09
The authorities wouldn't have prevented the child from being reunited with the family if they felt there was no risk. They do what is best for the children at the end of the day, and without knowing the full story how can any of you comment?!
We don't know the circumstancesThe authorities wouldn't have prevented the child from being reunited with the family if they felt there was no risk. They do what is best for the children at the end of the day, and without knowing the full story how can any of you comment?! We don't know the circumstances
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bibble, London (but visit Brighton regularly) says...
10:27pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Bex24 wrote:
The authorities wouldn't have prevented the child from being reunited with the family if they felt there was no risk. They do what is best for the children at the end of the day, and without knowing the full story how can any of you comment?! We don't know the circumstances
You are assuming that the social workers were right.

Have a read here:
http://tinyurl.com/n8dwa8

[quote][p][bold]Bex24[/bold] wrote: The authorities wouldn't have prevented the child from being reunited with the family if they felt there was no risk. They do what is best for the children at the end of the day, and without knowing the full story how can any of you comment?! We don't know the circumstances[/p][/quote]You are assuming that the social workers were right. Have a read here: http://tinyurl.com/n 8dwa8
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dodgy, hove says...
10:53pm Fri 10 Jul 09
This kind of thing is just the start of state domination.
Check out the Badman report on home educators. Pretty soon they will have the right to enter your home uninvited and without a search warrant and be able to question your children without your presence.
As far as the Father "losing it!" any loving parent would do just that.This kind of thing is just the start of state domination. Check out the Badman report on home educators. Pretty soon they will have the right to enter your home uninvited and without a search warrant and be able to question your children without your presence. As far as the Father "losing it!" any loving parent would do just that.
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Chicken and Beans, says...
12:46am Sat 11 Jul 09
bibble wrote:
This is a case of kidnapping by the state. The judges and police are the kidnappers.
Perhaps it's a case of preemptive action, you complete moron. Save the child before she ends up as retarded as her parents.[quote][p][bold]bibble[/bold] wrote: This is a case of kidnapping by the state. The judges and police are the kidnappers.[/p][/quote]Perhaps it's a case of preemptive action, you complete moron. Save the child before she ends up as retarded as her parents.
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Sweepster, Brighton says...
7:31am Sat 11 Jul 09
The parents were given the chance to 'prove' they can parent this child. They were assessed by an independent psychologist who then gave their report to the court. There is a lot more to this than this short article.

No child should be left to live in an volatile environment.The parents were given the chance to 'prove' they can parent this child. They were assessed by an independent psychologist who then gave their report to the court. There is a lot more to this than this short article. No child should be left to live in an volatile environment.
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Acheron, Hove says...
7:32am Sat 11 Jul 09
Insider is right here, we've got so little information to go on from this report and it is rather onesided. All that is reported is the parents arguement, and every parent would say just about anything to get their own child back, its totally natural. Unforturnately with some parents 'saying' is all that happens, the doing or changing doesn't.

It's very easy to bash social workers, they are an easy target when they do act and when they don't, putting them in a no win situation. While I'm not saying this case is anywhere near the same, we only have to look at the Baby P case to see what happens when they don't act.

Taking a child away from the family home won't have been done on a whim. Conditions were described as unsanitory. That doesn't happen just because of an arguement, thats something that happens over time.

The judges will have had a large dossier of information to make their decision, if they thought the social services had over-reacted it would be clear. It's ashame the Argus didn't report more on the other side of the story, just putting the parents view is bias and bound to cause an emotional reaction.Insider is right here, we've got so little information to go on from this report and it is rather onesided. All that is reported is the parents arguement, and every parent would say just about anything to get their own child back, its totally natural. Unforturnately with some parents 'saying' is all that happens, the doing or changing doesn't. It's very easy to bash social workers, they are an easy target when they do act and when they don't, putting them in a no win situation. While I'm not saying this case is anywhere near the same, we only have to look at the Baby P case to see what happens when they don't act. Taking a child away from the family home won't have been done on a whim. Conditions were described as unsanitory. That doesn't happen just because of an arguement, thats something that happens over time. The judges will have had a large dossier of information to make their decision, if they thought the social services had over-reacted it would be clear. It's ashame the Argus didn't report more on the other side of the story, just putting the parents view is bias and bound to cause an emotional reaction.
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Osama bin there, Brighton says...
9:26am Sat 11 Jul 09
They sound like hideous parents who don't deserve to have children.
Other than that, due to the lack of evidence in the article, I can't comment.They sound like hideous parents who don't deserve to have children. Other than that, due to the lack of evidence in the article, I can't comment.
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puddingandpi, Brighton says...
12:32pm Sat 11 Jul 09
rs wrote:
what a shocking story, unless i'm missing something here, this is completly over the top behaviour from social services.

when you have cases such as baby p when they stand back and give the parents chance after chance even with serious physical abuse going on. this doesn't make sense.

the result two heartbroken parents and a child who's old enough to ensure that she will be emotionally scarred forever.
My cousin was the foster carer for baby P & her grandfather is a convicted paedophile, so they didn't check her out very well, did they?
[quote][p][bold]rs[/bold] wrote: what a shocking story, unless i'm missing something here, this is completly over the top behaviour from social services. when you have cases such as baby p when they stand back and give the parents chance after chance even with serious physical abuse going on. this doesn't make sense. the result two heartbroken parents and a child who's old enough to ensure that she will be emotionally scarred forever.[/p][/quote]My cousin was the foster carer for baby P & her grandfather is a convicted paedophile, so they didn't check her out very well, did they?
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Sweepster, Brighton says...
12:45pm Sat 11 Jul 09
puddingandpi wrote:

rs wrote:
what a shocking story, unless i'm missing something here, this is completly over the top behaviour from social services.

when you have cases such as baby p when they stand back and give the parents chance after chance even with serious physical abuse going on. this doesn't make sense.

the result two heartbroken parents and a child who's old enough to ensure that she will be emotionally scarred forever.
My cousin was the foster carer for baby P & her grandfather is a convicted paedophile, so they didn't check her out very well, did they?

If everyone that was related to a sex offender was barred from working with children there would not be many people available to work. [quote][p][bold]puddingandpi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rs[/bold] wrote: what a shocking story, unless i'm missing something here, this is completly over the top behaviour from social services. when you have cases such as baby p when they stand back and give the parents chance after chance even with serious physical abuse going on. this doesn't make sense. the result two heartbroken parents and a child who's old enough to ensure that she will be emotionally scarred forever.[/p][/quote]My cousin was the foster carer for baby P & her grandfather is a convicted paedophile, so they didn't check her out very well, did they? [/p][/quote]If everyone that was related to a sex offender was barred from working with children there would not be many people available to work.
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yorkie44, Woodingdean says...
5:00pm Sat 11 Jul 09
The people who think this is wrong should rememeber that about 1 child a week is killed by their parents. In most cases the parents are known to have problems themselves - obviously.

After the Baby P case there could be some over-reaction but what is best a dead child or a child in care?

The real problem is how has this country got to this state when children are increasingly at risk from their own parents?The people who think this is wrong should rememeber that about 1 child a week is killed by their parents. In most cases the parents are known to have problems themselves - obviously. After the Baby P case there could be some over-reaction but what is best a dead child or a child in care? The real problem is how has this country got to this state when children are increasingly at risk from their own parents?
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rs, says...
6:17pm Sat 11 Jul 09
yorkie44 wrote:
The people who think this is wrong should rememeber that about 1 child a week is killed by their parents. In most cases the parents are known to have problems themselves - obviously. After the Baby P case there could be some over-reaction but what is best a dead child or a child in care? The real problem is how has this country got to this state when children are increasingly at risk from their own parents?
there's no mention of the child being at any physical risk:

"They were good parents, she said, and their daughter, now aged seven, had been happy at home and there was no question of her having been harmed in any way.

Yet, at the age of five, she was taken away from them within hours of the incident, had remained in foster care ever since and was now up for adoption.
[quote][p][bold]yorkie44[/bold] wrote: The people who think this is wrong should rememeber that about 1 child a week is killed by their parents. In most cases the parents are known to have problems themselves - obviously. After the Baby P case there could be some over-reaction but what is best a dead child or a child in care? The real problem is how has this country got to this state when children are increasingly at risk from their own parents?[/p][/quote]there's no mention of the child being at any physical risk: "They were good parents, she said, and their daughter, now aged seven, had been happy at home and there was no question of her having been harmed in any way. Yet, at the age of five, she was taken away from them within hours of the incident, had remained in foster care ever since and was now up for adoption.
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Tye, Brighton says...
5:22pm Sun 12 Jul 09
this is truly a terribly sad story.

i wonder how these people can sleep at night?

It does remind me a little of "One flew over the cuckoos nest?"

a brain op on a patient who did not conform with authority so he was "taught a lesson"this is truly a terribly sad story. i wonder how these people can sleep at night? It does remind me a little of "One flew over the cuckoos nest?" a brain op on a patient who did not conform with authority so he was "taught a lesson"
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